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Game Companies, Copyright Law, Websites, Fair Use, and Lies

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So, about a year ago, a game company attacked FBMF because Frank used freely accessible copyrighted imagery in a post. Imagery which was made available on the company's website, for the express purpose of modification and sharing online.

FBMF, understandably, acquiesced and took down the images.*

Now, Nintendo has attacked fansites, sending them C&D letters telling them that posting pictures of 5th gen pokemon from Pokemon Black and White is copyright infringement.

These images are, as I understand it, cropped images from screenshots of the games that have already been released in Japan. They were not illegally obtained.

The websites, again, acquiesced. Again, this is understandable.*

Now, let's look at Copyright Law, and specifically fair use.
Wikipedia, referencing 17 USC sec 107 wrote: Copyright does not prohibit all copying or replication. In the United States, the fair use doctrine, codified by the Copyright Act of 1976 as 17 U.S.C. § 107, permits some copying and distribution without permission of the copyright holder or payment to same. The statute does not clearly define fair use, but instead gives four non-exclusive factors to consider in a fair use analysis. Those factors are:

1. the purpose and character of the use;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
In general, both cases should be in the clear. It's for a judge to decide, honestly, but I'm fairly confident in saying that any clear minded judge would find in favour of the websites, not the companies.

Given that Fair Use allows for the use of the images in question, at least in my interpretation (see any news program, their use of copyrighted imagery isn't much different), and given that the Lawyer in the pokemon case said that the images were not fair use, I think this is Wrong(tm). All the more so because the Lawyer in the pokemon case would have to know that he was blatantly lying, and trusting on the target's, and public's, ignorance of law (Fucking Laws, how do they work!?) to help him meet his client's request.

My question is, why? Why are companies doing this? Do they not understand that such behaviour is a shot in the foot for them? While the caliber of the shot differs (the example here isn't a big thing, I doubt anyone's boycotting that company over it) it's still self-destructive behaviour.


*I want to be clear that I'm not attacking FBMF or Water Pokemon Master here, both are "average joes," so to speak, with more important concerns and demands on their time than this. FBMF has a family to look after, and limited finances. I'm not attacking moderator decisions, I'm attacking the companies' behaviour, and their use of false hoods and intimidation.
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It depends really.

It usually either boils down to 1) The company having a paranoid IP lawyer, or 2) They're trying to protect the company's imagery.
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Nintendo only attacked two specific fansites because the owners of those sites admitted to playing and using the ROMs of Black and White to get those images.

They did not attack us (Smogon), nor did they attack Veekun (who uses all of those images), and neither of us did that.


I do not believe it's fair use anyway, due to the sheer quantity of images used. One image would be fair use, all 156 would not.
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I thought part of the conundrum is that they have to at least put up a token effort to defend their copyrights since if they don't then they lose em.
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erik wrote:I thought part of the conundrum is that they have to at least put up a token effort to defend their copyrights since if they don't then they lose em.
I'm not a lawyer (and there are some on this board), but copyrights are not trademarks.
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Yeah, that's trademarks only. You can ignore 100 patent or copyright violations and sue on the 101st with no issues.
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Surgo wrote:Nintendo only attacked two specific fansites because the owners of those sites admitted to playing and using the ROMs of Black and White to get those images.

They did not attack us (Smogon), nor did they attack Veekun (who uses all of those images), and neither of us did that.


I do not believe it's fair use anyway, due to the sheer quantity of images used. One image would be fair use, all 156 would not.
Except the images were not, at least in PokeBeach's case, obtained via Rom. They've mentioned very short use of a rom, but the images were obtained via perfectly legal japanese copies of the game.
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Post by For Valor »

I can assume it was ROM qualms. Nintendo was like "look at these assholes... what can we get them on?"
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Prak_Anima wrote:
Surgo wrote:Nintendo only attacked two specific fansites because the owners of those sites admitted to playing and using the ROMs of Black and White to get those images.

They did not attack us (Smogon), nor did they attack Veekun (who uses all of those images), and neither of us did that.


I do not believe it's fair use anyway, due to the sheer quantity of images used. One image would be fair use, all 156 would not.
Except the images were not, at least in PokeBeach's case, obtained via Rom. They've mentioned very short use of a rom, but the images were obtained via perfectly legal japanese copies of the game.
Says who? WaterPokemonMaster? Are Nintendo really supposed to take him on his word about that one? (Disclaimer: I don't like him as a person.)
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They should unless they can prove other wise. I don't know him as a person, I have no reason to believe he lied in any way, so I believe what he says. I also think that it's absurd for a company to go after the images when the issue is the roms, if they want to hurt him because he played roms, then attack that, not something else.
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Post by For Valor »

Well, I don't think ROMs are commonly [ab]used. Maybe Nintendo wanted to shut the fuckers down, but didn't like the idea of doing it and giving ROMs more attention.

I mean, I didn't know about them until I saw this thread and then sifted through a bunch of internet acronyms.

There's a chance that Nintendo got worried about making ROMs into more of a problem, so they tried to use another tactic.
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